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Qualification progression

Dean

| 125 Posts

Associate

12 May, 2015 22:46

Hi, I have the level 5 diploma and I've seen that a company in NI is offering the level 7 awards and advanced diplomas. I know the content I'd different but I'm wondering is it worth it as the cost is high.

Also the same company offered a level7 award in employment law. Is it worth having this on ones CV. I've had my law module in the l5 dip and I've just finished a lower level Irish accreditied emp law course too.

Ive no primary degree so I'm trying to prove my knowledge through my qualifications etc  

 I work in lower level training post at the moment never worked in HR 

 

Any any advice appreciated. Thanks.  

  • Steven

    | 373 Posts

    Chartered Member

    12 May, 2015 23:20

    I guess only you can really know if it is worth it.  However, my view is experience is still of greater importance than qualifications.  As a contractor I spend a lot of the year searching for jobs but cannot remember anyone saying we need a minimum of level X or Y CIPD.  I do see a lot saying the person should (ideally) be CIPD qualified and have a certain amount of experience.

    I am certainly not against anyone improving their technical qualifications but it seems to me there are a lot of people who seem to think that applying for work with a Masters or similar higher qualifications in HR will somehow open lot of doors.  I guess this probably reflect the power of the marketing depts for the education providers.

    Just as an aside, why is training not considered part of HR?

     

  • Keith

    | 9224 Posts

    Chartered Fellow

    13 May, 2015 07:39

    I take a slightly different slant to Steven. I think with the state of the market at the moment more and more successful candidates have  experience (essential), a degree (and often now a masters) and are fully professionally qualified. It is a sort of hat trick of things that you used to be able to get away with one or two of but now often need the full set. 

    Most often its at the shortlisting stage that people without all three fall out.

    More long term I would say if you are planning to build a career across the full range of HR disciplines then it's probably worth at some stage getting the level seven particularly as you don't have a first degree. No idea however if this level seven is a good course or good value  

    All just my personal views of course.  

  • Dean

    | 125 Posts

    Associate

    14 May, 2015 21:54

    Thanks for the input both. 

    Steven training is part if hr but I'm direct labour production trainer. So I haven't an Input in developing training etc. I'm looking to move towards recruitment or a generalist role 

  • Steven

    | 373 Posts

    Chartered Member

    17 May, 2015 22:15

    Although I really have not seen any jobs with requires a Masters or a particular level, it could just be I am looking at different roles.

    However, if we do require a Masters and a full set of qualifications then as a group of professionals we need our hands banged together.  It is quite frankly silly to keep raising academic level requirements.  Outside of a university or similar there is no real advantage of seeking over qualified staff.  Do we really want to hire only those who are wealthy enough to do such qualifications or those who are deeply in debt due to a professional qualification and a Masters.

     

  • David

    | 19412 Posts

    Chartered Member

    18 May, 2015 08:23

    Hi Dean

    Personally, I'm a bit wary of paying substantial fees to private training companies for qualifications which are provided too by publicly funded FE /HE establishments. I say this, having  closely  observed many of the latter and concluded that if they were in the private sector they'd have gone bankrupt long ago, but the fact is they are where they are and as well as fees from students do get very considerable public funding. And if you pay big fees upfront to a private sector provider, you've no cast iron assurance that they won't go bust before you finish the course, leaving you rather up that proverbial creek. For example, every summer I attend a summer school at one of the nation's biggest universities. It lasts eight full days and is awash with visiting professors from all over the world - some of the world's greatest authorities and teachers of their subject in fact. It's nothing whatsoever to do with HR etc but is still in a rigorous academic discipline. The fees for these eight full days, including three day long excursions and all catering (but no accommodation) total £500 only - less than £70 a delegate day for such an experience - where could I ever hope to get that in the private sector?

     

    Finally, don't forget you can still get yourself a postgrad diploma or a Masters without any first degree - it's not mandatory provided you can demonstrate ability to complete

     

    all best with it all 

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