A commitment to something bigger than yourself through abandonment of self-interest.

  • This seems tragically disproportionate to the values of fairness and equity. If engagement happens when self-interest and organisational interests are aligned, a better goal may be to recognise and value shared interests.

  • Interesting one. I think putting what is right and legal ahead of personal gain/ the easy option is important. I'm not sure it is realistic to expect people to abandon their self-interest completely as most people will have an interest in their career, job stability, position in a company, etc. I agree with commitment to the profession but not necessarily the description you provide.

  • I think self interest and organisational interest should align, one should not be at the exception of another. I agree that as an HR professional you need to be able to focus your advise and actions on benefiting both the organisation and its people as opposed to self interest. However I don't think you should abandon self interest all together as your personal ethics and values are important, you should not be made to feel these should be abandoned in the pursuit of something bigger in the organisation. I think maybe it's the wording here that does not work for me rather than the sentiment itself!

  • This is woolly to the point of being either a) meaningless or b) so open to interpretation that it could be used as an excuse for reprehensible behaviour.  

  • A good principle, however this is impossible as a conscious choice. The imperative toward self-interest is genetic and the commitment to an idea or ideal must thus also be instinctive. (Based, somewhat paradoxically, on sub-conscious recognition of a "shared" interest with the ideal being of greater benefit than immediate "self" interest in serving us. In terms of Maslow's Hierarchy: Satisfaction of the "need" for self-realisation through participation in the idealised endeavour overturning the more basic need to survive individually).

  • I don't think humans can "abandon" self interest - there may be times that we are prepared to disadvantage ourselves in the short term for a wider group goal, but arguably this is because we see a longer term advantage to us as a partial consequence

  • I haven't voted for or against anything on the list as I think it's the wrong list. Can I refer you to the CIMA code of ethics

    THIS is the kind of thing we need. Your list if a weird combination of competences and ethics, and I think it uses the wrong language. I think this is a great idea, so please don't abandon it, but let's get it right.

  • I appreciate the sentiment here, but 'abandonment of self-interest' is too extreme - it sounds more like martyrdom than professionalism.  Putting ethical principles above self-interest is fine, but a healthy level of self-interest - valuing oneself appropriately and proportionately and working to achieve personal goals - is compatible with acting professionally.

  • Where on earth did you get the set of values?

    They are made up are they not?

  • I am seated near a HR manager who appears "committed" to the company but whose behaviour is totally contradictory. She asked staff if they had passed their driving test first times and then makes comments loudly if the staff had not. She often keeps the level of office noise high so that it disturbs those sitting around her sufficiently for several hours a day. Whether this is a HR ploy to infer personality judgement tests on staff is clearly debatable. She would also announce the age of certain targeted individual so that others can join in the slaying. I would consider this type of commitment committed to unprofessionalism!

  • It feels like the narrative on this is clumsy but the sentiment accurate.  Being altruistic should (in my view) be part of our 'code' if we work to the letter of our professionalism.    

    I like how CIMA have crafted their code.  Let's learn from others.

  • There should be a work-life balance.

  • We should have a commitment towards our work

  • If you abandon self interest, where will you get the courage to commit to anything else because surely you commit to yourself first in whatever proportion before committing to something bigger!

  • We consciously abandon self-interest every time we go paragliding, rock-climbing, play sport, cross a road or do any of the other million-and-one other things we engage in that threaten us with harm. So commitment (to anything) not directly serving us or threatening us with any kind of unnecessary effort or harm abandons self-interest, consciously or sub-consciously.  

    Conscious commitment to an ideal, a profession or an endeavour is only part of the story, because the moment we become aware of our commitment being unrewarded (or less so than we expected) we should bail! What other "rational" choice is there?

    The fact that we don't has nothing to do with rationality, ethics or higher self-sacrifice (sorry, but it's true) but is entirely founded in our instincts telling us that staying put will serve us better: We are thus "selfishly" motivated to engage and commit! (Now there's a paradox for you). It's the real-life, business-world expression of the sixties' Hippy ideal: "If it feels good - Do it!"

    The same motivation that make people jump out of planes knowing there is nothing between them and sudden death except a piece of nylon and a few bits of string, consciously risking their lives to satisfy their sub-conscious addiction to adrenaline and endorphins, is also the one that places Drs and Nurses on planes to Ebola-stricken parts of the world, risking a horrible death to serve other people: A Conscious choice against all rationality, because it "feels good" (right) to do it.

    You cannot explain commitment, to anything, through conscious thought-processes alone; a mistake which is at the heart of many a failed "Employee engagement" exercise. (...and even an American election). Our genes make us avoid harm and seek advantage (ask any amoeba); its what we do. Our consciousness can overrule those choices in part, but the real trick is to make the instincts feel it too. Commitment may thus be putting money in out pockets, status on our office doors and kudos in our e-mails from the boss, but the real reason we accept the long hours, the stress, the dirt, the danger or whatever it is that confronts our "self" interest, is because it somehow simply "feels good" (Or is made to by a skilled and equally committed Employer or their HR Department).

    Simple :-)